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I agree there was a singapore before 1819.

chia yin 2d

But maybe singapore or temasek was actually a totally different island. think bout it...

chia yin 2d

I think the founder of Singapore is Major General William Farquhar as a true founder would be the one who makes the settlement a better place and solve all the problems, like William Farquhar!

Rishvinder 2E

How come there are no remnants of the war betwen majapahit and Sang Utama?....Im sure somebody would have found like weapons used at that time for war..

I agree with Rish that Major General William Farquhar is the true founder as Raffles only signed the treaty and gave a lot of ideas(like a backseat driver). Crawford came into the picture after the hard work of Farquhar, so the true founder should be Farqhuar.

Liang Jun 2E

I think the founder of Singapore is lieutenant colonel as he was the one put in the effort to try and make Singapore grow. Raffles was attending to his own business a long distance away.

Lee Yee Tat 2E

i fell the the founder should be Raffles as he was the one with the foresight to start a port in Singapore.

Bjorn Teo 2E

I think that the founders of Singapore are its pioneers as they were the first people in Singapore who made it a bustling port from little villages.

Sahil
2E

I think that , along with Rish and Liang Jun, William Farquhar is the real founder of Singapore. Raffles is merely but a name of the person who wrote in black and white that he was the founder. In fact, Farquhar did most of the work and was the main labourer for founding Singapore. All Raffles did was to claim the credit.

Sidney Teo
2E

i feel that singapore was there before 1819, but not a busy fishing village. it was probably some other island.


timotty tay 2c

I'm sure credits must be given to the orang lauts. They can be said as one of the earliest people living on this island.

syakir 2c

hi guys. Im nicholas from 2h.. Im In france now.. I agree with Rish, Liang Jun and Sydney as Raffles only signed and left after that but Farquar was the one who got the new settlement started.. btw, how do u all post comments wif ur name ? coz everthin is in french and i dun relly understand..

nvm.. I understand now..

no raffles found singapore but then he misplaced it then farquhar got it from the lost and found

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-Raffles' Vision + Farquars' Energy + crawfurd's shrewdness = Converted Raffles' dreams to reality.
- W/o Raffles, Singaore might not exist
- w/o Farquhar, the infant settlement might not have nursed through its infant years.
- Without Crawfurd, Singapore might not have prospered.

All played a part to make Singapore famous and reputable.

However, Raffles' fame and reputation remained compared to Farquhar and Crawfurd.

Therefore, we must look beyond the surface to see who deserves the credit. Raffles might have been named founder because of his fame and reputation. However, the ones who did all the work were Farquhar and Crawfurd.

Conclusion: Raffles might not be the only founder

hello, I'm not from this school, but I'd like to share my point of view on the situation too. We should understand the question first: Who was Singapore's founder?

The definition of founder should be someone who starts an institution, group or organisation. Well, wasn't Singapore there all the time?

Another highly debated question then comes along: Who was the founder of MODERN singapore? The heated debate between Raffles and Farquhar begins right about here.

From my view, Raffles was the founder because he signed the treaty that entitled him to ownership of Singapore. Would Farquhar be allowed to legally place a finger on Singapore if Raffles hadn't done that? I think not. Raffles initiated the founding of modern singapore and whether he was a competent leader is a different thing altogether.

Some may disagree and say that Raffles neglected his 'political child', Singapore and a good parent should see to the upbringing of his/her child, but in this analogy, he employed William Farquhar as caretaker of his child. William Farquhar was then governor during the early critical years of Singapore. He came back to Singapore a total of nine months during the first 5 years of signing the treaty. Then another issue arises: Why didn't Raffles stop Farquhar sooner? Why did he wait, until Farquhar sent in a petition, to sack him?

It is highly uncommon that a country can have 2 founder but I feel they both have the necessary 'requirements' that fulfill a founder. However, they have both passed on now, so I doubt we'll every come to a concrete conclusion.

Who's the founder of Singapore?? I think that there should be an answer to this question. No offenses, but even if the two are still alive, the other party can still lie and we will still not know who was the founder of Singapore.I think that the founder of Singapore should be Raffles. After all, if it really wasn't him, why would people have spreaded the news that Raffles was the founder of Singapore.Although it may have been said that Raffles only paid Singapore a few visits,it was not compulsory for a founder to stay at the country at all times. Being a founder for Singapore does not mean developing it, a good example, for example" Once there was a man that found a land. But he died before developing it.His child took over his position to develop the land. However, the founder of the land would still be the child's father." Therefore, even though(not possibly) Farquhar or Crawfurd may have developed Singapore, raffles would still have been first to find Singapore. Besides, he was the one who helped Singapore to become a trading port by signing a treaty with Sultan Hussein and Temenggong Abdul Rahmah.